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were not always where we are. we did not start out this way. we came to california, no car, i did not know how to drive, but we set out to make a life. we started out on my salary. bernard's mother and father, his mother to not have to work. in his mind, even though i worked, we lived on one salary. that is what we did. we made a life. i want people to understand that we have done this, but we are just regular, ordinary people. >> and frugal. >> very frugal. >> other than travel and art. >> our cars are 15 years old. tavis: i know where you travel, and the way you travel and the are you collect. >> what is it only that i can do in my time, they say. and i think what we have done here is all of this 45 years together with our son, as a dad, i got my son and my wife, and we work on this together. just the other day we closed a deal in terms of doing a big show next year. how're you going to do this? the imagery, when we go into a city and see a family, an african american family, it is powerful. it is powerful. tavis: i have known them for years and it is an honor to have them on th
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